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Free Speech vs Hate Speech Part II

Yesterday someone re-blogged the previous post on free speech vs. hate speech with a critique. The critique itself wasn’t unreasonable, although the author basically relied on the slippery slope fallacy. His position is that any curtailing of speech will inevitably lead to tyranny. That’s a fallacy because there’s nothing to justify the alleged inevitability. We “partially” regulate all manner of things; driving, drinking, smoking, who can have sex and where they can do it, nudity, language on television, which drugs people can and can’t use. We regulate when abortion can take place and even when the taking of a life is acceptable. There’s nothing that sets speech apart making it impossible to regulate; Especially if laws are carefully devised to ensure they don’t silence genuine debate.

In any event, the discussion that ensued went on to very much confirm what I had posited. The majority of the defenders of unlimited “free speech” in that discussion turned out to be promoters of defamation, fallacies and outright falsehoods. Have a look at this comment by Adriane:

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Ah, the no-go zones! A fascinating concept. The no-go zone myth was the result of a Fox News report- well, a number of Fox News reports which they kept repeating over and over again. In a rare move they actually later retracted the story. Here’s an amusing take on it:

But even after the retraction and the many responses in the media discrediting the notion of no-go zones, there are people who have continued to try to make facts fit their vision of the world rather than letting the facts shape them. In that particular discussion in trying to bolster the the no-go myth, someone mentioned the ZUS (zones urbaines sensibles/sensitive urban zones) which it turns out is where the Fox News *expert* got his numbers. A ZUS is no more and no less than an urban area where a significant proportion of residents are at greater risk of unemployment and poverty. In other words, it’s the poorer neighbourhood of a town/city.

In the case of our town, for example, it’s a little section of Aussillon called La Falgalarié which is just 2.8 km from our house. So you see, just 6 minutes away from the most expensive part of town is a ZUS. A ZUS where there’s a great supermarket and a Thursday street market that attracts people from far and wide (because the prices are great and it’s a fantastic place to get spices):

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Scared yet?

La Falgalarié is also home to a cute little chateau which is a Cultural Centre that regularly hosts exhibitions and occasionally shows.

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How about now?

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Scary? Really?

Hardly a little Iraq “no-go zone” where the police, or anyone else, is afraid to walk the streets because dangerous Muslims might  attack us. No one wearing Bin-Laden t-shirts either. In fact, that would be a crime called supporting and/or justifying terrorism.

All of this is to demonstrate how in the case for a majority of the people in that discussion, the preoccupation was by no means the freedom to be able to communicate facts. That is in no way affected by hate speech laws. Their preoccupation is simply to be able to use free-speech as a cover for propaganda: The right to deceive. The right to defame.

And before I go I just want to address this notion of the alleged Muslim problem we have in Europe. Firstly there’s no denying that there are a number of issues with Islam (as with religions in general) and that there are elements within the Muslim community who use the religion as a catalyst for violence. The same was true of the conflict in Northern Ireland. That being said, France with the highest Muslim population in Europe, is hardly at risk of Sharia Law or an “Islamic takeover” of any kind. The reason is the math.

In a population of 65 million, we have an estimated 10% who are technically Muslim. I say technically because that number refers to ethnic Muslims. Of that 10%, only 33% say they’re practicing believers. But only 20% claimed they go regularly to mosque. That means we’re talking about 1.3 million people who go to mosque in a country of 65 million. And there’s no evidence whatsoever to support a claim that those 1.3 million who do go to mosque are supporters of sharia law, much less terrorism.

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20 comments on “Free Speech vs Hate Speech Part II

  1. carlalouise89
    June 7, 2016

    This is brilliant!!!

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    • Thanks! In the current climate of political debate, I think it’s important to highlight the actual facts 😀

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      • carlalouise89
        June 7, 2016

        Me too! And it bugs me how many people try to hide behind ‘freedom of speech’ and ‘censorship’ without understanding the definition of either of those things, or the fact that they aren’t free of consequences of doing so. And it seriously bugs me (when I talk to Americans) and they seem to assume EVERYONE is American and they’re all, ‘The first amendment!’ and I want to scream, ‘Do you ever realise that there are countries outside of America??’

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      • Not only do (some of them) not know it, they’re operating under the delusion that life in America is more *free* than in other developed countries. That’s because they’ve reduced the concept of liberty to mean guns and the first amendment.
        Keep in mind that America is the country of food libel laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_libel_laws
        A food manufacturer can sue you for publicly criticizing what they produce! Laws regarding alcohol are also more restrictive than any other developed country. And laws restricting women’s freedoms are popping up all over the American south.

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      • carlalouise89
        June 7, 2016

        American is somewhat insane, and if Trump is elected, it’s just going to get worse! Although, with what’s happening in Australia, I don’t think we’re all *that* far behind them! I find it appalling. And the racism, sexism, everything that goes with it … and people acting like ‘political correctness’ is a negative thing. I’m sorry that I’m calling you out for being a racist douche, but political correctness has gone made, right!? And thanks for the link! Will so investigate 🙂

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      • Cara
        June 7, 2016

        America is insane. Everything about us, from our obsession with the Kardashians to the fact that our public high schools graduate 18 year olds who are functionally illiterate to the fact that little girls grow up dreaming of becoming strippers (because strippers get paid & apparently paralegals, office managers, & nurses don’t) to Trump for president is sheer insanity.

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      • carlalouise89
        June 7, 2016

        That is insane. That’s so sad.

        Liked by 1 person

      • I find it really shocking. I spent most of my first 20 years in America- and in all that time, I never encountered these people (the Trump voter type.)

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      • Cara
        June 7, 2016

        They’re out there

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  2. inspiredbythedivine1
    June 7, 2016

    Superb and informative.

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  3. Cara
    June 7, 2016

    The Muslim problem? In Europe and/or anywhere else, there’s a couple problems. Problem #1 is those few and far between Muslims who actually engage in terrorism…they blow up the Twin Towers, they’re responsible for the recent attacks in Paris & Brussels (attacks nobody wanted or needed). Problem #2 is that the Fox News Channel insists every Muslim on this earth is engaged in terrorism and must be blown to smithereens…and the Fox News Channel insists this over and over again so goddamn much that, well, some people have started to believe the hype, and there’s this anti-Muslim sentiment that has more to do with Fox News than with actual Muslims. And so you get people like this guy I know, let’s call him Joe, who will no longer buy his carton of marlboro cigarettes from the middle eastern man in the corner store because “that towel-head is a terrorist” (meanwhile there’s NOTHING subversive or anti-American about running a small business, and I don’t know any actual terrorist who brings his wife & kid to work at the store with him).

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  4. john zande
    June 7, 2016

    Fox is wonderful. I particularly liked their 2009 claim that something like 34 naval destroyers, an aircraft carrier battle group, and 4 nuclear submarines had been commandeered by the “Obama White house” to protect him whilst in Europe. Their editorial meetings must be hilarious.

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  5. foolsmusings
    June 7, 2016

    Once again if you hear a lie often enough, to a great many it becomes the truth. Would we have seen the Rwandian genocide had it been illegal to promote violence against an ethnic group? Most people have respect for life and it is only through fear that they act against their moral code. When free speech becomes bullying it needs to be stamped out.

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  6. theoccasionalman
    June 12, 2016

    The French are worried about Sharia law? Muslims are more restricted in France than they are in the United States, and we have Texas.

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