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Chris Hayes: What ‘Law and Order’ Means to Trump – The New York Times

“… In this view, crime is not defined by a specific offense. Crime is defined by who commits it. If a young black man grabs a white woman by the crotch, he’s a thug and deserves to be roughed up by police officers. But if Donald Trump grabs a white woman by the crotch in a nightclub (as he’s accused of doing, and denies), it’s locker-room high jinks.

This view is also expressed by many of the president’s staff members, supporters and prominent allies. During the same week that the White House chief of staff, John Kelly, repeatedly vouched for Rob Porter’s integrity, Mr. Kelly also mused that hundreds of thousands of unauthorized immigrants who did not fill out the paperwork for DACA protections had refused to “get off their asses.”

A political movement that rails against “immigrant crime” while defending alleged abusers and child molesters is one that has stopped pretending to have any universalist aspirations.”

Full text: The NYT

What Mr. Hayes describes is no other than a modern interpretation of society as organised by birthright; what I like to call birthright ideology. That used to mean hierarchical organisation in the aristocratic form. Royals above nobles, nobles above commoners, the bourgeoisie above the working class and so forth. That positioning (also the model of classical patriarchy and backbone of Abrahamic religions) was, shall we say, deterministic. It even dictated whether your word was “true” or not in a court of law. Just ask William Garrow. The Enlightenment and revolutions of the 18th century were supposed to have changed all that, but various sectors of society still operate on those terms – hence Trump’s appeal to the religious despite his actions.

28 comments on “Chris Hayes: What ‘Law and Order’ Means to Trump – The New York Times

  1. foolsmusings
    March 18, 2018

    I’m starting to feel like ‘conservatism’ is just a whitewash for white Christian privilege.

    Liked by 3 people

    • The Pink Agendist
      March 18, 2018

      Indeed. The problem is for quite a while that group has been mislabelled; for the most part pretending it was a matter of ideas or actions.

      Liked by 1 person

    • clubschadenfreude
      March 18, 2018

      it is just a whitewash. Conservatives have no interest in anyone else. They are no more than Klan in nice suits.

      Liked by 2 people

      • The Pink Agendist
        March 18, 2018

        I’m watching in total bemusement as they sabotage all the weapons they’ve been using for decades to hold on to power. From “fiscal conservatism” to “family values”, it’s all out the window. I wonder what happens next?

        Liked by 1 person

      • clubschadenfreude
        March 18, 2018

        hard to figure what is next. We have GOP leaders telling Trump that if he tries to fire Mueller, that’s the beginning of the end of his presidency. After trump is done, it’ll be curious on what the wannabee nazis who came out from under their rocks will do.

        Liked by 2 people

    • foolsmusings, you are just starting to believe that conservatives are nothing more than extremist white Christians? Whoa, catch up man.

      Liked by 2 people

  2. Scottie
    March 18, 2018

    I always wondered about that disconnect. Now I understand better. Hugs

    Liked by 1 person

    • The Pink Agendist
      March 18, 2018

      Up until the Trump phenomena they worked rather cleverly at hiding or justifying their proposed hierarchical model (including opposition to anti-discrimination bills), but now it’s become impossible to hide it 🙂

      Liked by 1 person

  3. Not only is it impossible to hide it, but for the most part they are glorying in their power and influence. I mean Tony Perkins from the Family (Not!) Research Council openly writes on the internet how he is at the White House multiple times a week and how he personally wrote the Trump “No Transgender Military Service Members” Executive order, which thankfully was struck down by the court.

    Catholic Heritage Foundation brags how they are the ones picking all the Federal Judges for Trump and he is just rubber stamping whoever they pick out.

    It’s a disaster an unmitigated disaster. Now we find out that Bannon lead Cambridge Analytica had a Russian on staff who literally stole the Facebook data.
    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump

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    • The Pink Agendist
      March 18, 2018

      The Facebook story is huge in Europe. I hope it has some serious consequences.

      Tony Perkins might think this whole thing is good for him, but as Ireland and Australia have shown with the referendums, the days of people like him having any influence are numbered. His crowd can’t fool the young people anymore (as they did for so long.) This whole new generation of young people is just not entertaining the Perkins style garbage 😉

      Liked by 1 person

  4. inspiredbythedivine1
    March 18, 2018

    Well written and argued article in the NYT. My blood is boiling with so much hatred and rage at Trump that I’m losing the ability to put it to words. I hope this bubble bursts soon. I can’t take much more of it.

    Liked by 3 people

    • The Pink Agendist
      March 18, 2018

      Something good may come out of all of this. The world has a unique opportunity to re-examine how we do and see things. The #metoo movement and the Parkland kids are two amazing examples of what the future can become if people keep pushing.

      Liked by 5 people

      • inspiredbythedivine1
        March 18, 2018

        I agree. J.R.R. Tolkien of Lord of the Rings fame coined a term “U-catastrophe”. It means, “From out of great horror and chaos comes an unexpected and powerful wave of goodness, light and healing.” I’m paraphrasing that, but you get the drift. I’m encouraged by the same things you mentioned, and also by the voter turnouts we’ve had here in the past few special elections that were held. I’m hoping for a U-catastrophe to come soon.

        Liked by 1 person

  5. acflory
    March 18, 2018

    Just read about the CA whistleblower. I assume he has hard proof because the knowledge about the connection has been floating around online for quite a while. I learned about it some months ago and I’m not exactly up there with the latest news.
    There is a whole pattern of abuse that’s slowly being exposed and it goes beyond Trump, or even the underlying white privilege to how we view capitalism itself. Interesting times.

    Liked by 1 person

  6. keithnoback
    March 19, 2018

    It has an enduring appeal.
    “I may be ‘——‘, but at least I am not one of those ‘——‘”

    Liked by 1 person

    • The Pink Agendist
      March 19, 2018

      And that’s well illustrated by the successive anti-immigrant campaigns in America. Anti-Chinese, anti-Irish, anti-Italian…

      Liked by 1 person

  7. Trump is running the government from the White House Palace. He is destroying all our institions, convincing ppl that the fBI, Justice Department and Intellegence services are rotten and can’t be trusted. This is what authoritarians do they eleminate all competition and then run everything out of the palace.

    Helll he is sending Ivanka Trump to South Korea to negotiate with the South Koreans and North Koreans in place of a Secretary of State, which we no longer have one of those either. This is literally running our country out of the White House Palace.

    I cannot adequately describe how revolted I am with Trump AND the people who support him. Mere words are inadequate to describe my level of revulsion. And unless Robert Mueller has the goods I will live in this tension for another 3 years, and have to bear going through another Trump campaign.

    Liked by 2 people

  8. Sirius Bizinus
    March 19, 2018

    I think that this phenomenon is more widespread than just Trump and his supporters (religious or otherwise). Hillary Clinton recently made some disparaging remarks stereotyping Trump supporters in India. Those remarks basically boil down Trump supporters to a backwards enemy that needs to be treated as inferior. To be fair, those same people make similar statements (off-camera) about Clinton and other political enemies.

    Hypocrisy doesn’t seem to be in short supply these days. Trump can get away with it because our institutions have covered for it in the past. He’s just the latest person to benefit from it.

    Liked by 2 people

    • The Pink Agendist
      March 19, 2018

      Thinking errors (and hypocrisy) are definitely present everywhere we look; but I think what’s important to identify is whether the argument rests on X (identity) or Y (action). There’s a tendency in some parts of the right to make policies which affect people based on their identities. Antisemitism, racism, homophobia, sexism, all the weight placed on the X. So the defence of systems that reinforce discriminatory hierarchies, as done by all the people who oppose any policies to level the playing field, is a way of cementing people into place. Disallowing progress, acceptance or social mobility.

      Liked by 1 person

  9. Osyth
    March 19, 2018

    That Trump is a foul pest is well rehearsed. What still seems to be missing is a réalisation that if this is to change at the next election (not the predictable mid-term swing-back but the race for the Whitehouse in 2019/20) is a deep and thorough analysis of how he got there. Bin the conspiracy theories and admit that the Democrats did not run a great campaign. They assumed they would win. Hilary was the only person, in my view, who could not beat this man. The legacy therefore falls to ALL Americans who voted and those who didn’t when they could have. And the Democrats have a chance to find the right person, the person with charisma, decency, powerful oratory and a clean back-room to sweep this man or whomever the Republicans field should he decide not to run again, out of the way and restore some dignity, decorum and decency to the White House. Until there is a collective responsibility taken on the offended side we will remain hearts in mouths waiting for the next chapter in an endless horror show. So instead of constantly spitting and throwing rock at a person who could not care less I would like to see energy put into understanding where the fault lay and really trying to find that phoenix. Where is Michelle Obama, please because she would be unbeatable.

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  10. davidprosser
    March 19, 2018

    Quite right too. It’s virtually impossible for someone who has a s much money as Frump to be guilty of a crime, any crime. Their money ( or someone else’s) is deemed an adequate defence. Obviously Russian money works just as well as anyone else’s.
    Hugs

    Liked by 2 people

    • The Pink Agendist
      March 19, 2018

      Absolutely true. A person walks into a grocery store and steals a chicken, they’re detained on the spot. A banker pays himself millions using client money while he’s running the bank into the ground and he retires in Bermuda.

      Liked by 1 person

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