Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom. – Petitions
If you’re a UK citizen or resident, you can sign this petition:
Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen.
Donald Trump’s well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales. Therefore during the term of his presidency Donald Trump should not be invited to the United Kingdom for an official State Visit.
Sign by clicking on this link: Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom. – Petitions
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But we’ve got to get a trade deal!
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With America? How do you think that would work? It’s much more important to guarantee pre-existing trade to keep the UK stable.
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We’ll probably have to buy their drugs for NHS use, and lots of crappy Chevrolets, rather than crappy Citroens, and Donald gets to shag the queen, and possibly Adele, and we get to import their GMO crops and dodgy beef, that sort of thing. But aside from all that, I suspect that events in Europe would soon mean we’d have to (and also be able to) negotiate unilateral trade deals with some on the continent anyhow — I’m afraid I don’t have your optimism as regards the EU, Pink; I think it’s in its death throes as it is.
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Not if you look at actual percentages of political support- past and present. The Le Pen phenomena is nothing new. Her father had in fact already made it to a presidential election. Just last year she wasn’t even able to get elected in the regionals.
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Polls don’t mean too much in this anti-establishment climate, as folk aren’t keen to admit supporting proto–fascists. I don’t pretend to have a perfect political radar, but I did predict (right here on your site) a Trump win, and also Brexit. I hope you prove me wrong, but I think the EU as currently constituted is a dead duck — could be Italian bank failures that trigger events, or Terrorism, or dirty tricks from the Trump–Putin axis stirring unrest, or maybe Le Pen will win if Fillon drops out, who knows? I think all but the last of those things are bound to happen, actually, and I’m not given to conspiracies; rather I think there’s a paradigm shift happening and it hasn’t played out yet, far from it. Buckle up.
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Well, actual elections proved Le Pen couldn’t win a seat in regionals last year. That’s quite straightforward evidence.
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+ British law allows for tabloid propaganda, which is in essence fraud- but widely believed. Very different on the continent.
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“That’s quite straightforward evidence.”
Yes, evidence of what happened last year. If the Fillon thing blows up then that would shift things further. And in the meantime . . .
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-19/le-pen-moves-into-first-in-french-race-le-monde-poll-shows
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That’s not unlike what happened to her father. The French dynamics are very particular. This is a “snob” country (in the pro-aristocracy sort of way.) The tendency is to vote for a certain style of person. Look at every president in French history. The last two weren’t exactly up to the same level, and so the response was the rise of de Villepin, Fillon, and Montebourg and Peillon on the left.
The Bloomberg analysis is similar to what the Guardian had last week and which they pulled after a number of people (me included) called it fake news. The FN has never gotten voters from the middle.
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I just hope you’re right, and maybe you will be — as long as French voters don’t get complacent like potential Democrat voters did in the States.
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It looks like Hamon just won the primary… just now
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Is that good for Macron?
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Not quite. It means there’s still a loud left.
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Won’t Hamon’s Universal Basic Income proposal freak people out?
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It’s still a loose proposal. If he gets a good team to study options he might gain ground.
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Yeah baby!
– esme nodding and agreeing from her bed upon the Cloud
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Hey Pink, that sounds like an invitation you can’t refuse! Oh, hang on . . .
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I adore Esme 😛
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I’m thinking Rita Hayworth meets Christina Hendricks plus funny brains. 🙂
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Hahahahaha. I didn’t know it was that kind of party.
– esme falling about upon the CLOUD
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I think this has already reached the 100k threshold to force a House of Commons debate!
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Yes, right now it’s closer to 400k and rising.
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The thing is, I think it would only be a symbolic measure – both this petition, and the block, should it come to pass – and a political message, at that. Since the royals aren’t supposed to be political, I don’t see Buckingham withdrawing hospitality from a legitimate head of state. Still, as a Brit abroad, it didn’t stop me from vigorously signing the petition.
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Symbolic works. The man gets annoyed by twitter comments. I imagine just the idea of a debate is a serious affront to his ego.
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Darthtimon – it won’t be ‘forced’ even if there’s a million signatures:
https://petition.parliament.uk/help
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‘Parliament will debate this petition on 20 February 2017.’ – That’s official now. So, think on!
– esme looking right as ever upon the Cloud
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Yes, it’s being debated, but it isn’t being ‘forced’ Esme — see the wording on the link I left. If 100,000 signatures could ‘force’ a debate, then they’d also have to debate the petition that says the State visit should go ahead, as that’s exceeded that figure too. And they’d also have to have debated whether to hold a second EU referendum as that petition reached 4,000,000. Look at the wording of that petition; it still allows him to come, just not to meet the queen for fear it may offend her. I mean, who cares whether she’s offended or not?
Trump is being played for Britain’s own (now desperate) ends. May is simultaneously laughing and cringing at him behind his back. We need to do a deal with the U.S. and Trump is the opening we have to use to get it. Moscow approves as it would widen the EU fracture caused by Brexit. The queen has met all manner of evil bastards on the government’s behalf previously, so it’s just more of the same. She may as well earn her keep. I’d be perfectly happy if he was shot dead tomorrow, but there we have it. Do you think that debate is going to change a thing Esme?
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I think it is always better to aim to force hands in such serious climates as this, than to give out a long list of reasons why it is pointless and do (pardon my French Mr P), fuck all.
– esme straight up upon the Cloud.
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Did you see Ken Clarke today? He was just superb:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/01/watch-ken-clarke-s-blistering-anti-brexit-speech-article-50-debate
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Great speech, but, like my pops used to say back in the day, “Dem der Brits sure does talk funny.” 🙂
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Hey thanks Pink, that was a superb speech; I’d only heard clips of it during the day. There’s no doubt he’s a skilled extemporiser and orator, as is Daniel Hannon — another Tory I disagree with. I’m afraid it’s all pissing into the wind though, as Clarke himself all but admits. I think on this issue I’m more interested in the pragmatics of politics, unlike you and our very dear friend Esme. Virtue signalling seldom serves much of any cause.
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It’s hardly virtue signalling. Saying Theresa May shouldn’t pimp out the Queen to Donald Trump for her own political purposes is a reasonable enough position to support. Even if it doesn’t change policy, it draws lines in the sand.
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Morally, then yes, you’re right. But the fact is that if we don’t get a deal with the U.S. — and Trump’s laid out his demands for negotiations: golf at Balmoral and all that — then as Clarke himself says, trade will diminish after Brexit. That means jobs will be lost and livelihoods affected, and they’ll be those of the less well off, primarily.
As for virtue signalling and all that, then in my view people are being lulled into thinking that online petitions and Facebook campaigns (Slacktivism) are what get things done in the political arena. I’m afraid it just isn’t so, virtuous though it makes people feel. Unless you’re afraid to make the political classes fearful of you, then they’re really not listening.
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What exactly would a deal with America entail to prevent job losses? A common financial market? A common food market? Pharmaceuticals?
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It’s mainly about common standards and regulations, isn’t it, moreso than the abolition of tariffs. It’s 320 million people to sell stuff to, if we can get our act together and make things in the first place. But as I suggested elsewhere on your blog the other day, U.S. companies are going to be able to sell themselves into our NHS, and into our food supply chains, so there’ll be big downsides too and we may not see much benefit to our balance of visible trade (i.e. excl. finance, tourism, insurance etc.). But if we can manufacture goods again, we’ve an opening to secure livelihoods and jobs. I think the financial centre of London will probably be okay — it’s where European businesses do a lot of their currency clearing, and the legal system and language shields it to some extent. Still, we’ve got to get away from our dependency on finance as it’s also a bloody huge liability — we still haven’t got a hope in hell of selling the publically owned 73% share of RBS.
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How unusually optimistic 🙂
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Piss-taker! Anyway, you might have to be if Le Pen gets in.
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Hey Pink, thought you might be interested in this if you haven’t already come across it — interesting analysis:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/03/how-to-build-an-autocracy/513872/
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Will read it now, thanks!
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Embarrassing the yammering yam will piss him off royally. 🙂
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That’s what we’re hoping for. I made Mike sign 🙂
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Y’all are just afraid that if he leaves the States, we might not let him back in again.
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Well we’re not keeping him in England 😡😂
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Gee Kaian, why NOT? 😉
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😀
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It would be even nicer if you guys would let his aircraft land and then deny him entry and send his vile orange behind back to the States. Unfortunately we may be stuck with him for a while.
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Down here we saw a few snippets of Theresa May’s official visit to DumpTy. I suspect she must have washed her hand a hundred times after having it /held/ by the Donald AND being ‘helped’ down a few piddly stairs. I was grinding my teeth just watching it. I’m not into the Royals but even I’d sign that petition if I could. Can you imagine him, holding /Putin’s/ hand?….
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He wasn’t that reverent to his own wife, he must have had coaching! Grrr…
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Ugh…I saw it as being domineering
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Well, it was probably domineering, I’m not sure he can act in any other way!
You never see him acting in a gentlemanly way to his wife do you? She seems to be treated as an obedient and attractive accessory rather than a beloved and respected wife. Would really love to see her side of the trump dream.
I wonder if she was thrilled to have an out when he moved to Washington, staying with their son while he is at school is a completely understandable thing, and he probably doesn’t even miss them. And he has Ivanka in Washington. Melania who?
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Her side of the dream is he leaves for the White House and she stays in Manhattan 😀
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And her nightmare is the end of the school year when she runs out of excuses to stay away!
I actually really feel sorry for her, what a life she must have. (And no amount of money could make that husband worth tolerating.) I imagine other men have discussed running for president with their wives before they put up their hand, I suspect he didn’t bother to consult, just told her when he was signed up and ready to start campaigning he’d be less available for the next few months.
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Yes, trophy bride about sums it up. Is she wife no.2, 3 or 4? But I think she may have a bit more steel in her spine than most – refusing to go to Washington is pretty gutsy.
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I just started a petition to SEND tRump to the UK. I figure he could play Richard III for the Royal Shakespeare Co until he withers away from old age. He’ll get to be a maniacal despot adored by audiences, and we won’t have to deal with him here. I know, far fetched, but ya’ can’t blame me for tryin’.
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Monster! 😛
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Shoot, I was going to ask you guys to keep him and send the plane back. I figured you could keep his cohorts as well. But I see you have already made up your minds to not do so. Well at least you could insult him a bit and see if we can get his head to explode? Any slight should do it. Thanks. Hugs
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If you leave it on the screen, every few seconds the petition leaps by a few hundred, which is pleasing to watch, though it is not yet as fast as the “Give us a second EU referendum” petition was. 867 809 so far.
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My three children have dual citizenship. I will demand that they sign. I only wish I could. While I was willing to give the man a chance, it appears that each day brings worse news. I can no longer afford, our nation can no longer afford, to give him any longer a leash.
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I think a whole lot of us didn’t believe he’d go this far.
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Thanks so much for the link. Saved me looking. Have signed and posted to FB too.
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Thanks for carrying this Pink. We shouldn’t deny him access but there’s no reason to have the Royal family too close to him.
Hugs
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The Queen is in her 90’s. I’d sure she’d rather spend the evening in bed!
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