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After the election we will not mourn. We will organize | Gloria Steinem | Opinion | The Guardian

“In my country, the white-lash and the man-lash have just created President Donald Trump, an unqualified candidate who came up not through politics, but through inheriting money, a gift for bullying, and being on television.

Though Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, Trump won enough to get a majority of electoral votes. That was a move to the right not unlike Brexit and the rule of Prime Minister Modi in India. Yet I also have to admit that, in answer to the question I’m most often asked, I hoped but never quite believed I would see a female president in my lifetime. At least, not a woman like Hillary Clinton.”

Full text: After the election we will not mourn. We will organize | Gloria Steinem | Opinion | The Guardian

Gloria Steinem, as usual, doesn’t disappoint. It’s well worth reading. Particularly in light of what Linn pointed out in the comments section of yesterday’s post:

“The thing about the “age of reason” is that the Internet causes as much irrationality as it does “reason”.
People are caught in their own little bubbles on the web. As an example, a few people on WEIT accused SJWs and the left for Trump being elected. Apparently, annoying leftist college students caused this entire election to go in Trump’s favour.

These types of people are spending their time on the web and getting the impression that the true concerns in life are SJWs, college students and leftist journalists “hating on” poor white cis males. In their little internet bubbles, they are completely ignorant about the running’s of society or about human rights.
They don’t care about such things because “the Internet” told them that they should vote Trump because SJWs are mean against white males, and immigrants are bad.”

These aren’t narrow issues, yet sectarian groups are already making the event about their own limited visions of the world. In the case Linn mentions it’s particularly perverse because it’s basically the justification of the racism, homophobia and misogyny we’ve all been listening to this entire election cycle.

When David Duke, head of the KKK, says he’s tired of political correctness- it’s because he feels constrained by not being allowed to use the word N-gger. There are people who feel victimised because saying faggot is frowned upon. And let’s not forget Vice President Elect Mike Pence signed into law the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which entitled individuals and businesses at large to refuse service to anyone on “religious grounds” because the religious in Indiana must have felt terribly victimised by taking the money of LGBT people in exchange for goods or services.

Why don’t we just go ahead and blame the feminists for Trump’s election? If they stopped making such a huge deal about being grabbed by the p-ssy, surely misogyny would’ve disappeared into the mist by now. Of course it would’ve.

I tell you, my friends, when sceptics turn scepticism into a tribe where instead of asking questions we’re embracing prepackaged sectarianism, we become precisely what we’ve been criticising.

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47 comments on “After the election we will not mourn. We will organize | Gloria Steinem | Opinion | The Guardian

  1. Hariod Brawn
    November 10, 2016

    “p-ssy”, “n-gger”?

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  2. silenceofmind
    November 10, 2016

    Les Deplorables have always been people just like me:

    little nobodies, just trying to make it through each day hopefully on their way to a better life.

    We live in an ethnically and socially diverse world of people doing exactly that same thing.

    That we have been branded by the left as sexist, racist, bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, inbred rednecks is one of the great social injustices of this epic period in history.

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    • Does that mean you think things like racism or homophobia don’t exist?

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      • silenceofmind
        November 10, 2016

        Mr. Merveilleux,

        No.

        It means that you have no idea how things really are.

        And I am trying to explain reality to you.

        You think the Brexit and THE Donald’s victory are simply the untermensch throwing temper tantrums.

        I’m trying to explain that you’ve got it all wrong, horribly, tragically, murderously wrong.

        This is what’s happening out there:

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      • keithnoback
        November 11, 2016

        You grow up in the South, boy?
        I did.
        Reap what you sow. Not good, but ‘reality’.
        You voted for more of the same.

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      • silenceofmind
        November 11, 2016

        Keith,

        The South is as modern and multicultural as any other part of the United States.

        Your personal hallucination of a racist South is at odds with reality.

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    • clubschadenfreude
      November 11, 2016

      funny how you “little nobodies” have done your desperate best to force your beliefs on everyone else. You aren’t just trying to make it through each day, if you were, then you wouldn’t try to make laws and spend millions of dollars to try to make it that everyone worship like you, insist that only white people get certain benefits, insist that these benefits be denied to others, etc. You have done a lot of work to be labled as you are: sexist, racist, bigot, homophobic and xenophobic. Some of you are indeed inbred and some are indeed rednecks, happily those things don’t require you to be sexist, racist, bigot, etc. I’m a redneck, happily raised bluecollar and rural. I happily am also not inbred, WWII saw to that with widows looking for new husbands and making in roads into what were very inbred communities.

      No, SOM, not everyone is doing what you are doing. There are plenty of us who aren’t trying to force their religion on others, to not selfishly try to keep certain rights to ourselves, etc. Your attempts to lie in order to claim everyone is as bad as you are fail. You are no innocent and you are held accountable.

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  3. Linn
    November 10, 2016

    Oh. I wasn’t expecting what I wrote to be highlighted in a separate blog post. Not that I mind. I was writing that post in a state of exhaustion after a particularly busy day at work so please excuse any grammar mistakes.

    Anyway, as for blaming feminists, it’s already been done. There’s not yet a single disaster in the world that hasn’t been blamed on feminists. “Feminazis” are the new jews on the internet along with SJWs and muslims. The irony is in how the spend all their time complaining about the “offense culture” among leftists, but then are deeply offended at supposed attacks on white straight males in the media.

    Just so that there’s no misunderstanding, I don’t like Islamists or regressive feminists, but I rarely encounter them in discussions. Instead I encounter angry people constantly complaining about being silenced by feminists and “muslim lovers”.
    They complain about being silenced, even though they are responsible for the vast majority of comments. Any moderate voices are immediately driven away as the angry people prefer to stay inside a bubble of their own imaginary war.

    I think they’re like this because, when fantasising about a vast horde of evil immigrants, women and gays trying to take away their “god given American rights” , their lives suddenly don’t seem so meaningless. They’re back to the days of playing cowboy and indian, days where everything was exciting an dangerous, days where they were heroes saving the world.

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    • It is interesting to see how society and the media tie themselves into knots with these things.
      Have you noticed how unemployment and difficulties in black or hispanic communities are blamed on character, meanwhile unemployment and difficulties in the bible belt are the responsibility of the elites.
      Have you seen the Panti Bliss video where she explains homophobia?

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  4. dpmonahan
    November 10, 2016

    “White-lash” is an oversimplification, Trump got a higher percentage of minority votes than did Romney, and heavily pro-Obama counties in Rust-Belt states went Trump.
    Anyway, as long as the left’s pitch is “Vote for me you stupid racist!” they are going to lose.

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    • Perhaps, but applauding racism is certainly not the ethical alternative.

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    • clubschadenfreude
      November 11, 2016

      hmmm now, where has any person in the left said “vote for me you stupid racist”? It would be a little silly since those who are liberal know that the GOP will not vote for liberal candidates out of habit. It seems that for claiming “oversimplification”, you do indulge it in yourself.

      I am curious on the data supporting your claims. The data where Trump got more minority voters (I do hope it is adjusted for change in population). Also, which “heavily pro-Obama counties in Rust belt states” went Trump, DP? I am curious since I have yet to see data on this.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 11, 2016

        I obtained this rare information with a skill I call “googling” you should try it sometime.
        For Trump’s gains with minorities:
        http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html?_r=0
        For rust belt counties
        http://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/post/152956392778/counties-formerly-for-obama-that-went-for-trump
        Both parties need working/middle -class whites to vote for them since they are the biggest voting group. The Democrats pitch was trans bathrooms and BLM calling everyone racist when they should have been talking about jobs and drugs.

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      • You don’t really believe the trans thing was an issue of the left, do you?

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      • dpmonahan
        November 11, 2016

        Yes, where did the pressure to normalize it come from, Southern Baptists?
        Granted… Bruce Jenner is a Republican so maybe I’m wrong.

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      • C’mon, P-click-click. The idea of normalizing bathroom use is silly. People use public bathrooms. Not me, because I was gifted the special talent of holding it in until I get home; but evidently it’s a very important issue for Republicans and Trans-people who drink too many liquids and spend too much time trying to examine each other’s genitalia whilst using smelly public facilities.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 12, 2016

        What .001 percent of the population does to relieve themselves is a private matter, that isn’t the point.
        The push to celebrate and normalize transsexuality comes from the left, this (among other things) alienates votes that used to be in play for Democrats.

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      • That’s what I mean- this idea of *normalization* doesn’t really match reality. The same way whatever legal documents I sign with another citizen aren’t actually anyone else’s business. Gay marriage was a de-facto issue of legal documentation. Nothing else. Who pushed to make it into a social wedge issue?

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      • dpmonahan
        November 12, 2016

        The Democrats did. They decided to push a radical notion that someone’s private identity crisis is a social problem, and their idiosyncratic feelings are reality, and you are a bigot if you say a man is a man and not woman. They staked out this position precisely because it is absurd and would get a rise out of people. Then they could say, see, we are against bigotry.

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      • That’s absurd. That’s like saying one person’s sexuality is about another person. Which is what the religious have been doing for quite a long time.
        Another person’s sexuality, gender or contractual life is no one’s business except for their own and whomever they choose to share information with.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 12, 2016

        heh. DP, you are a clever one, but it seems you can’t show where anyone said what you claimed they said ““vote for me you stupid racist”. Not even when using Google, where you did indeed find some of the information I asked for. It seems that you intentionally were dishonest.

        The articles you provided were interesting, but they do not support your claim about racism, DP. The article that the county map came from discusses the reasons: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/

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      • dpmonahan
        November 12, 2016

        Oh for God’s sake I didn’t mean that Clinton literally said “Vote for me you stupid racist.” The Democrats needed a bigger cut of the white working class to win, and instead ignored them, and then alienated them by focusing so much on fringe race / gender issues which slandered them as racist by implication.
        http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=1

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 12, 2016

        I know you didn’t mean it literally, DP. I am looking for your evidence that anything like what you claimed was said by democrats. If you are unable to show this, you simply indulged in making a false claim to excuse what happened. Issues of gender and race aren’t “fringe issues” and we know that the people who were supporting Trump had no problem in being racist and misogynists when Trump played to those traits with his attacks against people of different colored skin, with his treatment of women, etc. The fact that Trump was supported by white power group is emblematic of the problem with his actions and words.

        The democrats did not ignore the white working class, because Clinton had a plan on how to get them back to work in better paying jobs.

        There are plenty of white working class people who aren’t racists and sexist, but there are a lot of them that are. Why should the racism and sexism of that group not be demonstrated and criticized? What morality is it to ignore those things just to get a vote?

        As I acknowledged, the articles you gave links for did what you said. I asked for the information and you kindly gave it to me. They also gave additional information that indicate your claims aren’t quite what you present them as.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 12, 2016

        Did I say racism does not exist?
        I said the left’s shrieks of “racism” were oversimplifications.
        The fact remains that Trump did better than Romney among minorities and that Obama counties delivered the white house to Trump. Clinton did not make a pitch to the white working class when she needed those votes to win. Having a plan on a website is meaningless if she didn’t try to sell anyone on it.
        And what are you trying to argue anyway? That Trump voters are generally racists and the Democrats were right to criticize them even if it meant throwing the election? OK, enjoy the loss then.
        Let us preform an experiment in empathy: say you (God forbid) were a person who thought that immigration is OK within limits, and that current U.S. laws should be enforced. You see that they are not being enforced and that bothers you. According to the rhetoric coming from the Democratic Party (who are pandering to Hispanics), you are a giant racist, a bigot who should just shut up.
        Are you going to vote Democrat? Constantly screaming racist all the time creates resentment among people who are not racist. It also probably makes it hard to tell the difference between a real racist and an ordinary person.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 12, 2016

        You said that the left somehow has said “Vote for me you stupid racist” and you have yet to show that is to be the case in any form. I’m still waiting for you to support your claim, DP.

        Unfortunately it doesn’t surprise me that you did not answer my question about morality. I am indeed content to lose an election if I don’t have to gut my morals and pander to racists, sexists, etc. It does make me wonder about a theist who claims that there are objective morals and who appears quite happy to abandon them when convenient.

        We have seen that Trump has no problem with white power groups who are indeed racists, and we have seen the actions of Trump and his supporters repeatedly on various media that also supports the idea that racism is nothing new to these people.

        I do find that immigration is okay, and we already have limits on it. These laws are already being enforced, to the point that Obama’s administration has deported more people than his republican predecessors. What the bigots in the Republican party insist is that somehow the laws aren’t being enforced and that entire groups of people should be kept out with “extreme vetting” as Trump has said. These people who support Trump aren’t the poor innocents you try to claim, DP, and they aren’t just asking for the laws that exist to be enforced. That is already happening. What they want is no immigrants, and they want to blame people of different colored skin for their problems. These are not “ordinary people”, unless you do want to claim that the ordinary person wants to close the borders, build a pointless wall because they are so afraid of the other, to say it’s okay to attack women, etc. I do not think that ordinary people condone such things.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 13, 2016

        Whether or not it is moral to make an alliance with people who have repulsive views about race is not the question here, but rather why the Democrats lost.
        I somehow doubt the Democratic party shares your desire to never win another election.
        Anyway, your attitude, that anyone who disagrees with you is a raaaacist, and millions of people who voted Trump are raaaacists is big part of why Trump won. But don’t worry, maybe if you shout raaaacist some more they will change their minds!
        Even Michael Moore was saying basically the same thing as me on Scarborough.

        But the important thing is that you feel superior! You have that going for you!

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      • What are the consequences of an alliance with racists? Don’t alliances generally imply certain rights?

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      • dpmonahan
        November 13, 2016

        There would have to be some quids for the quos I suppose.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 15, 2016

        Yes, the question if it is moral to make an alliance with people who have repulsive views about race is the question here, and it is you who tried repeatedly to claim that its more complicated than race but have yet to show this. Indeed, the latest news about who Trump is making his chief strategist, Steve Bannon, is a known racist, anti-semite, misogynist and who hides behind a “American” nativist nonsense, when he’s just as racist and ignorant of the “other” as Bill the Butcher in The Gangs of New York.

        Nice one, DP, in trying to claim that I have ever said that anyone who disagrees with me is a “racist”. Now, please do support that claim, DP, or are you just bearing false witness because you have nothing else. We already know that millions of people who voted for Trump are indeed racists, and we have that from their own words at rallies, online and in print. we have that documented in the words that Trump himself used to get their support. If such tactics didn’t work then he would not have used them. There were some Trumpists who weren’t racist, xenophobic and ignorant, but the majority were, willing to buy into Trump’s claims. This has a partial list: http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/ I had forgotten about his antics about the central park jogger attack, which he still makes ignorant comments about.

        I have no interest in watching a video. If Michael Moore was “basically saying” the same thing as you, you can quote him. I’m going to guess you won’t since “basically” won’t fit very well.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 15, 2016

        Whether or not it is moral to make an alliance with racists would be a prudential decision. Soviets were quite anti-Semitic (among other things) but the allies sided with them to beat the Germans. Politics is about prudence and alliances with bad people is an everyday thing. It is not a particularly interesting question and I don’t see why you think it is.
        So, not “all” people who disagree with you are racist, but obviously the majority. What percentage of Trump voters are racist? What percentage are reluctant Trump voters? Are there statistics? Or do you just know?

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 15, 2016

        In addition, Moore can have his own opinions. I did watch the video since I knew you would refuse to give any information. I’m looking for the whole show since the video you’ve offered is truncated and only seems to appear on alt-right websites.

        you can read someone else’s opinion too: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-voters-racist-hate-20161114-story.html

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      • dpmonahan
        November 15, 2016

        Moore is entitled to his opinions but I’m not, even when siting the same facts? I think that is called “fat privilege” and I denounce it.
        Since when is MSNBC “alt-right”?

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 15, 2016

        I’m waiting for the evidence to support your claims. As I would expect from Moore, and as I would from the author of the article on the link I gave. Wow, and “fat privilege” huh? You never cease to amaze me, DP. The truth will out everytime.

        Sigh, the small part of the discussion with Michael Moore that you and the alt-right tout is on the alt-right website.

        Now, here is the whole thing: http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/michael-moore-joins-wide-ranging-election-talk-806604867876

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      • dpmonahan
        November 15, 2016

        Oh, and does Moore turn around and contradict himself and declare that everyone who voted Trump is a racist?

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 17, 2016

        Hmm, now who has said that *everyone* who voted for Trump is a racist?

        DP, let’s go back to your original post. You claimed that the democrats said ““Vote for me you stupid racist”” and that they should have only focused on the economy and not mentioned “fringe” issues like racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc. It seems that the only one who is saying *all* voters for Trump are racist.

        That you consider racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc as only “fringe” issues is unfortunate, and seems to be only because you don’t want such things mentioned, and that you are likely a white male who wants to pretend such issues really aren’t important.

        You also seem to want to pretend that racism, sexism, etc aren’t what drove Trumps campaign, but they were. There were no economic plans from Trump, only promises that wishes will come true, that coal will magically return, that heavy manufacturing will suddenly arise again. Trump used racism, , misogyny, xenophobia, etc to fuel the fear of the economy so they aren’t separate at all. That most Trump voters decided that either they agreed with the hate and lies Trump was spreading or that the hatred and lies spread by Trump weren’t a deal breaker in favor of believing such false claims is sad. You also don’t want to admit that it is a moral problem when something like that occurs. The ignorance of accusing the “other” for the realities of the economic world is nothing different than what the Nazis did in the 20s and 30s, ginning up hatred and making promises of how if we just got rid of the “other” things would be fine. That was just the first rumblings of some of the worst horrors that the world has ever seen.

        It is also unfortunate that someone with the last name Monahan, if that is indeed your last name, is so ignorant on how xenophobia (be it based on ancestry, culture or religion) can affect people when the Irish immigrants suffered quite a bit in the US when they were fleeing starvation in their home country. My ancestry doesn’t hold any of that misery, being from German and English stock who was over long before the country began and from Hungarian stock who came over in dribs and drabs, not gaining any outright enmity as a group who “took r jerbs” (in South Park speak). But I still care about people who go through such nonsense.

        Again, I have no problems in losing an election if I do the right thing and call out deplorable people. I will hope that the others do also and always work to that end. The bad guys sometimes win, but not always. I prefer to be on the side of Captain America, a fictional fellow, but someone I admire: “Doesn’t matter what the press says. Doesn’t matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world — “No, you move.” Amazing Spider-Man #537

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      • dpmonahan
        November 17, 2016

        “Hmm, now who has said that *everyone* who voted for Trump is a racist? ”
        “most Trump voters decided that either they agreed with the hate and lies Trump was spreading or that the hatred and lies spread by Trump weren’t a deal breaker”

        Two bloggers in one!

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      • Is there any way out of that one? The platform was racist.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 17, 2016

        In what way?

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      • If I vote for a platform I have to be to some degree at ease with what that entails. Our mayor here in town is an independent to the right of our Republican party, but if he joins the FN, I can’t support him anymore because I feel that platform proposes institutional racism.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 17, 2016

        OK, but there is racism, the belief that another race should be placed under special legal burdens, and then there is the shriek of racism which like the shriek of socialism is a thought-stopping slur employed by politicians.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 20, 2016

        DP, tsk, do you understand the meaning of the word “most” and the meaning of the word “everyone”?

        But nice try, DP. You might want to consult a dictionary the next time, so your attempts at lies aren’t so obvious.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 21, 2016

        Oh, you again.
        The effect of saying “most Trump voters are racist” is the same as saying “all Trump voters are racist”.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 22, 2016

        “The effect of saying “most Trump voters are racist” is the same as saying “all Trump voters are racist”. ”

        No, it is not the effect since the two words mean entirely different things. It is very curious that someone like you must intentionally try to claim that the word “most” means the same as the word “all” and you do this in order to make an intentionally false claim. You claim to be a Christian, but you also intentionally ignore the words in your holy book that indicate that lying is a very bad thing. Why would you put your supposed immortal soul at risk for something so silly?

        Most: the majority of

        All: the whole amount, quantity, or extent of; every member or individual component of

        This is why we have different words for different concepts.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 12, 2016

        The articles supported the claims they were intended to support, that 1) Trump got a higher percentage of minority votes than Romney 2) that pro-Obama counties were critical in delivering the election to Trump. Your WaPo article reinforces my second claim. Please join the reality based world and listen to facts and reason.

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  6. The Unists
    February 23, 2017

    Interesting

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