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What Do Trump and Marx Have in Common? – The New York Times

HAMBURG, Germany — “We have a word in German, “Wutbürger,” which means “angry citizen” — though like many German compound words, its meaning can never quite be captured in a pithy English translation. And yet nothing in either language quite frames this current political moment.

It is a relatively new expression, with a derogatory connotation. A Wutbürger rages against a new train station and tilts against wind turbines. Wutbürgers came out in protest after the Berlin government decided to bail out Greece and to accept roughly one million refugees and migrants into Germany.”

Source: What Do Trump and Marx Have in Common? – The New York Times

Very interesting article, so is Vargas Llosa’s commentary on it in El Pais. I tend to agree with VL. Anger as a motivator almost invariably turns into something destructive.

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61 comments on “What Do Trump and Marx Have in Common? – The New York Times

  1. silenceofmind
    October 30, 2016

    It is a clear and proven as fact that Hillary Clinton is a dangerous criminal.

    THE Donald, however is a solid, law abiding citizen who, like many Americans is very angry at criminals like Hillary taking over the US government.

    Anger at tyranny is a good thing.

    Whereas, comparing a lunatic like der Fuehrer with a good man like THE Donald is pure leftist foaming at the mouth hatred.

    And that foaming at the mouth hatred is exactly what powered the rise of the NAZIs.

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    • You do realise that although Marx and Hitler both spoke German they’re not the same person, right? There was no mention of Hitler anywhere in the article.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 30, 2016

        Indeed. It seems that SOM has no idea who the Nazis were.

        For everyone’s amusement, the interview with Trump and EWTN (a Catholic network) is here: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/heres-the-full-text-of-donald-trumps-interview-with-ewtn-98883/ Amazing the complete nonsense that Trump spews and it’s quite amusing to watch him stumble with anything to do with religion. So much for SOM’s hero.

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      • silenceofmind
        October 30, 2016

        Club,

        Look in the mirror if you want to see a NAZI.

        And the United States doesn’t need another “nice” guy Republican who will go out before the Democrat Party, drop trow, bend over and grab his ankles and then whimper his hope that the Democrats will be gentle with him.

        THE Donald is screaming popular precisely because he’s a smash mouth brawler, not because he’s a “nice” guy.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 31, 2016

        Ah, it’s great fun to see you again bear false witness against others, SOM. No, I’m not a Nazi, and you can keep lying and calling names as much as you’d like.

        Trump is indeed popular with people. Many people, like you, are afraid of very many things and you are desperate to believe someone who will promise you everything, just as long as you trust him. Trust in him and only him, SOM. Doesn’t that sound a little strange?

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      • Very interesting. There’s quite a bit of literature on how authoritarian political movements have basically emulated the religious formula. Kim Jong Un is the Supreme Leader; and Evita is/was actually called Santa Evita by some.

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      • Carmen
        October 31, 2016

        Taking her points into consideration, you can probably see exactly why SoM is a fan of Herr Orange Hair. 😦

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      • Absolutely. He lives in a colourblind world. No nuance, no context. Just people who are with him and people who are against them. That’s how he can conflate Marx and Hitler.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 1, 2016

        a very good article. For their religion to make sense, they must have a idea that things are very bad and will get worse. If it doesn’t, then they don’t get their three superpowers and a pony.

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      • silenceofmind
        October 30, 2016

        Mr. Merveilleux,

        The terror tactics of the left are the same as the terror tactics of the NAZIs.

        I believe that your severe case of personal bias make you think that your own foaming at the mouth hatred of your political opponents is justified.

        Such religious, self-righteous fuehrer (Ha, ha! Pun intended) has always powered the left.

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      • metan
        October 31, 2016

        Look in the mirror? Terror tactics of the left? SOM, judging by those comments you really need to brush up on your history.

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    • acflory
      October 30, 2016

      -giggles- I almost thought you were serious! Clever parody. 🙂

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    • clubschadenfreude
      October 30, 2016

      as usual SOM is showing that he is quite ignorant in many things. SOM, is a “solid law abiding citizen” one who cheats contractors? That uses donated money to benefit himself? that has married and divorced multiple times, in exact contrast to what the bible says? that profits on gambling? that uses illegal immigrants to build his buildings?

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      • silenceofmind
        October 30, 2016

        Club,

        You must be one of those brainless idiots who believe everything you read on Democrat Party websites.

        Whereas, the criminal activities of Hillary are proven by emails written by Hillary and the other criminals who serve her.

        Read the emails for yourself.

        They are now public.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 30, 2016

        Nice whining, SOM, but again you’ve no evidence for your claims, just like when I showed that your economic claims about Trump were also false.

        Now, please do show these “criminal activities”, SOM. Since I have indeed read the emails myself, I know you are a liar *and* that you haven’t read the emails in question. But as always, you are more than welcome to support your claims. Can you?

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 30, 2016

        It’s also great fun to watch you refuse to answer my questions, SOM. You can have another try: “solid law abiding citizen” one who cheats contractors? That uses donated money to benefit himself? that has married and divorced multiple times, in exact contrast to what the bible says? that profits on gambling? that uses illegal immigrants to build his buildings?

        Now, either you find these things criminal or you agree with them? What will a self-described Christian say?

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 30, 2016

        and to clarify, I’ve read the emails released so far. No one has seen anything of these supposed new ones. Again, still waiting for your evidence and answers, SOM.

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      • silenceofmind
        October 30, 2016

        Club,

        If you applied the same standard to Hillary as you do to THE Donald, you would know that Hillary is co-chair of a crime family.

        I don’t say that, she does. And so do the people around her.

        Haven’t you been watching the news lately.

        Even the Democrat Party mouthpieces, CNN, MSLSD, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, AP and Reuters are beginning to report Hillary’s crimes.

        BTW…

        …Happy HallowWEINER!!

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 30, 2016

        Wow, nice additional nonsense, SOM. Again, you are asked to show evidene for your claims. If you have no evidence, then all we see is one more TrueChristian bearing false witness against another and showing that he doesn’t believe his religion is the source of objective morality any more than I do.

        Please show us where Ms. Clinton has said she “is co-chair of a crime family”. You have made the claim, now support it. Show us where the “people around her” have said such nonsense.

        Ah, SOM, it’s so good of you to give me all of the evidence I need that your religion is nonsense. Again, it is amusing to watch you avoid answering my questions. You have another chance: , is a “solid law abiding citizen” one who cheats contractors? That uses donated money to benefit himself? that has married and divorced multiple times, in exact contrast to what the bible says? that profits on gambling? that uses illegal immigrants to build his buildings?
        And you also can tell us how Trump should be trusted about his claims about economics when he cannot answer the simplest questions about them. One would also ask why he should be trusted on his claims of being such a good Christian when he knows so very little about the religion and none of his actions reflect the religion, especially the few good parts.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 30, 2016

        Oh and happy Halloween to you too. Now, isn’t it funny how the FBI has shown absolutely nothing of import despite its claims? And isn’t it funny that despite decades of trying to make claims of such supposed “criminal conduct” on Ms. Clinton, such TrueChristians have consistently failed. For people who are sure that they have an omnipotent being in their corner, they don’t get what they want so desperately. It seems that omnipotent being, if it exists, is working completely against you, which isn’t too hard to understand since it really hates lies told by its followers. Dover PA is still doing well despite the lies told by Christians that horrible things will happen because creationists failed. The west coast and east coast and Florida are doing quite well despite the claims of disaster by Christians. Your batting average isn’t doing so well.

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      • silenceofmind
        October 30, 2016

        Club,

        I gave you 8 sources where you could go out and see for yourself that Hillary is a criminal.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 30, 2016

        where, SOM? There is not a source on the posts that come into my comments feed. Please provide the link to this list of 8 sources. I’m waiting.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 30, 2016

        perhaps it’s in Mr. M’s spam folder. Hopefully it will be released. But I don’t need anything more than the WikiLeaks emails. And again, no one knows what is on the new ones mentioned by the FBI since they have had them for weeks but haven’t bothered to look at them yet.

        Now, again, SOM, I do want to know the answers to my questions: is a “solid law abiding citizen” one who cheats contractors? That uses donated money to benefit himself? that has married and divorced multiple times, in exact contrast to what the bible says? that profits on gambling? that uses illegal immigrants to build his buildings?

        I am enjoying a Christian who cannot or will not answer such simple questions. I will guess that SOM’s answers would throw doubt on how much he actually follows the bible’s words.

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      • silenceofmind
        October 31, 2016

        Club,

        A Democrat fascist destroyed THE Donald’s star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame:

        Such violence against opponents typifies leftist and NAZI political behavior.

        Here is another video showing Democrat Party fascist sympathizers attacking a homeless woman as she guarded the THE Donald’s Hollywood star:

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      • clubschadenfreude
        October 31, 2016

        Why yes, some idiot did destroy Trump’s star on a street in Hollywood. Something that good Christians like you decry constantly. As for the other video, it also horrible, if true. At this time, there is nothing to show what was going on in the video and the woman in the video has yet to be identified.

        Wow, SOM, you have no idea what democrats are, or what fascists are, or what Nazis are, do you?

        Now, you seem to want to claim that all democrats are like this. Shall I point out that, if you wish to make this claim, this would make Trump to be responsible for, and approving of, the people who shout things like “Jew-S-A”, who attack reporters, who say that all muslims are terrorists. Are you good with that? Shall I say that SOM must agree with horrible people since he advocates for Trump?

        If not, why not?

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 2, 2016

        still waiting for evidence of your claims, SOM. That video is most curious. I am waiting with bated breath to see what Trump will supposedly give her.

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      • clubschadenfreude
        November 2, 2016

        oh my. (in my best George Takei voice). I’m rather dismayed by the willful ignorance displayed. I’ve put in my two cents. We’ll see if that makes it through moderation. I’d much rather live in Moorish Spain (oooh, the al-Hambra, yes thank you!) than when Isabelle et al Catholics ruled.

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      • Precisely!

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  2. metan
    October 30, 2016

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.” Marx.

    Well, Groucho Marx… 🙂

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  3. Hariod Brawn
    October 30, 2016

    Thanks Pink, and yes, a decent article. I suspect his closing remark that HRC might change much at all will prove very wide of the mark. And as for saying “let’s hope Europe once again looks to America as a model for democracy.”, then there’s as much chance of that as me voting Tory. Nil. What a thoroughly bizarre statement! To return to the positive, he used a great neologism which I’ve stolen for future use: hillbillyism.

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  4. dpmonahan
    October 30, 2016

    This is a really neat topic. On the one hand anger is a perfectly natural emotion, a good man should be angry about corruption. On the other, Outrage! is one of the main political tools they use to manipulate voters.
    The Dr King example that both articles invoked was misplaced: one of the important things about him, at least as far as his public persona was concerned, was his lack of outrage. He and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference intentionally tried to project dignity, calm, rationality, and forgiveness, not anger.

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    • docatheist
      November 2, 2016

      I think you make a worthy distinction between outrage and anger. The former is out of control rage, while the latter can be funneled into sharpened focus and clarity to deal with a dangerous situation in a rational and even dignified manner. Conflating the two, however, smears the latter with the destructive effects of the former.

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      • dpmonahan
        November 2, 2016

        My distinction (for private use, I’m not rewriting the dictionary):
        Anger: a normal reaction to an imminent evil.
        Outrage: a political tool.

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  5. Carmen
    October 30, 2016

    As usual, SoM is busy typifying his moniker . . . 🙂

    No good has ever come from hating, which seems to be the destructive emotion being projected from tRump.

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    • I’m convinced it’s a character created by a college student. It just can’t be real.

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      • silenceofmind
        October 30, 2016

        Mr. Merveilleux,

        Maybe you are a character created by 3 year old.

        My goodness! You people think you are SOOO superior to us commoners.

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      • Yes, I totally agree with the last part of your comment.

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      • Carmen
        October 30, 2016

        COMMONER, SoM?? I thought you were on Team Jesus, which automatically infers moral superiority? 🙂

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      • silenceofmind
        October 30, 2016

        Carmen,

        If you would ever read the Bible, especially the New Testament, you would see that Christians are Christian precisely because they are morally inferior to the Beautiful People (people like you and Mr. Merveilleux).

        Two of today’s Catholic Mass readings are very explicit in that regard:

        1. Wisdom 11:22 – 12:2
        2. Luke 19:1-10

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  6. Esme upon the Cloud
    October 30, 2016

    Just letting folks know that Harold has been marked as spam by someone we think and so all his comments to people are being blocked. He’d be most grateful if you could check your spam folder to see if he’s lurking there.

    – esme telling it like it is for H upon the Cloud

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  7. acflory
    October 30, 2016

    @ Esme ‘pon-Cloud – Bravo for sherlocking that mystery and saving Hariod [note how carefully I typed that?]. I wonder who would do such a petty, childish thing?

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    • Quite interesting affair. I’m only petty and childish on days that are even numbers, and then the ones between them. So it was evidently some other petty and childish person 😀

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      • acflory
        October 30, 2016

        Oh, good to know, Pinky. I’ll just visit on the in-between days then, shall I? Hopefully the other petty and childish person will only visit on your even numbered days so we can watch the…fireworks. 😀

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  8. docatheist
    November 2, 2016

    Darn. I really needed this to be “What do Trump and Marx Brothers Have in Common.”

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  9. docatheist
    November 2, 2016

    Dear SOM, I’ll only address you this once, knowing your response style. Here is your “Trust ME” Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ILPl5FQaM

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