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One True Ideologies: Sectarianism. I think she just said white supremacist.

The way my encounter with the TERF group began was bad enough- but trust me, it’s been all downhill from there.

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People who don’t embrace their discriminatory ideology aren’t just alleged supporters of the rape and murder of women- we can just as easily be cast into the role of white supremacists. A salient marker of my discussions with them was that I noticed that outsiders can be (and are) immediately demonized. During the discussions I put up a video link of a transgendered person being attacked by two women. The point being to show the very human vulnerability of trans people.

This was met with immediate accusations of racism. Why? Apparently because the attackers were African American- and so obviously, I’m a racist. Other members of the group picked up on the word, and from there it was repeated, and repeated, and repeated. And within that subset of people, I am now labeled a racist. White supremacist, even.

This is a combination of three phenomenons:

Group Think

  1. The group’s coherence is maintained by the observance to policies handed down from those in authority.
  2. There is an internal enforcement of policies by members who reward “proper” behavior, and those who perform properly are rewarded with further inclusion and acceptance by the group.

Cognitive Dissonance

  1. Avoidance of critical thinking and/or maintaining logically impossible beliefs and/or beliefs that are inconsistent with other beliefs held by the group.
  2. Avoidance of and/or denial of any facts that might contradict the group’s belief system.

Indoctrination

  1. The teachings of the group are repeatedly drilled into the members, but the indoctrination usually occurs around Special Knowledge.

Reason be damned. No evidence of racism was actually required for them to demonize anyone questioning their ideology. When I originally referred to TERF’s as a cult, it may have sounded like hyperbole, but the more I observe of their behaviour, the more it seems an accurate description.

What first led me to say the word cult at all, was an appeal to adherence to the group:

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From the author of this.

Note how Safe Space here is used as a codeword. The woman in question is on the internet, separated from me by an ocean. She insulted my intelligence, I returned the favour. She was never threatened, and yet claimed she was not safe? Not only was she not safe, but if the blog admin didn’t go along with her requests, the implication was she would no longer be considered part of their group: I thought you were a feminist*. The lines were drawn: Exclusivity was established. Fall in line, or else. (*Also note how she appropriates the word feminist itself. The implication is she gets to define and exclude.)

And then there was the confirmation biastendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one’s beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities. (also applicable to the white supremacist comment above.)

Have a look at this exchange:

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The response? A loud dog whistle intended as a call to arms to the rest of the group:

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She completely dismisses everything in the comment, except pronoun usage which confirms her pre-existing ideas and ideology. In fact, she doesn’t even consider the coherence of what she’s saying… because we all know that in Islam it’s the she’s who impose the rules, right? All those female mullahs and lady-clerics.

To conclude, most aspects of the way this group functions are squarely in line with cult dynamics. Submission, exclusivity, special knowledge, indoctrination, sectarian jargon and even:

Persecution complex

  1. Us against them mentality. Therefore, when someone (inside or outside of the group) corrects the group in doctrine and/or behavior, it is interpreted as persecution, which then is interpreted as validation.

The last point can be highlighted by their opposition to the term TERF itself. It means Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist, which seems an adequate description of the group’s ideology, and yet according to their sect, the term cannot be used because it’s a “slur”. If they can take a straightforward description and call it a slur, maybe they should be asking themselves why? If it’s disparaging to say a group excludes trans people, perhaps not excluding them might solve the problem.

 

 

 

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57 comments on “One True Ideologies: Sectarianism. I think she just said white supremacist.

  1. john zande
    March 7, 2016

    If I may:

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  2. Hariod Brawn
    March 7, 2016

    I might add a fourth to your list of causative phenomena, Pink: confabulation. In a clinical sense, it is (according to wiki) when “the patient is unaware of the accounts’ distortions or inappropriateness, and is not concerned when errors are pointed out”. Sound about right?

    As to your learned interlocutor ‘storyending’, then I gather from her article that “women don’t talk filth like trannies do.” She obviously hasn’t met my grandmother. 😮

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  3. inspiredbythedivine1
    March 7, 2016

    Wow. You’ve got some fun conversations going on. Like Frank Sinatra once said to Dean Martin: :”Dean, there are a lot of crazy fuckin’ people out there.”

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  4. Clare Flourish
    March 7, 2016

    I clicked your storyending link. I wish I hadn’t. It has a grim fascination for me, then I turn from it, feeling a bit sick. Special Knowledge: she understands the world, in a way no-one who has not taken the Red Pill does.

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    • It’s not just grim, it’s a tragic. If you watch them liking each other’s comments and high-fiving their confirmation bias within the group you get a sense of just how deeply invested in this garbage they are.
      Their identities are now dependent on affirmation within the sect.

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    • In essence they’ve taken the gay panic defence and transformed it into a pre-emptive weapon.

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    • David J
      March 8, 2016

      I’ve just clicked too… and had the same fascination.

      It is an incredibly, self-consicously warped view of the world and of people. What does its author get from it? Is there some strange kind of self-esteem to be had? The “let’s see how extreme I can get while pretending to occupy the high moral ground”? And then claiming victimhood because the rest of world takes a wider view…

      I suppose the only good news is that such views are so extreme they won’t gain any traction, letting the rest of us help work for the real equality agenda.

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  5. acflory
    March 8, 2016

    This is the saddest thing I’ve read in a very long time. This is not feminism; it’s a hate club of women who hate men, all men of any description. That appears to be the only condition of entry. I assume it’s because they have been hurt in some way by a man. If that hurt involved rape then I feel terribly sorry for them. But you don’t stop feeling like a victim by perpetuating the hate violence against someone else, especially when the only ‘men’ you /can/ hurt are trans women.

    You’re right about it being a cult, Pinky, and like all cults it will end badly. 😦

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    • My dearest Andrea, I can’t tell you how sad it makes me to see this happening. On every level. Sad they got to that place. Sad they want to spread their hurt around. Sad. Sad. Terribly sad. I wish someone could tell me what I could say to make them take a less destructive approach. Up to this point my many attempts have only fed the hatred.

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      • acflory
        March 8, 2016

        I admit I feel horribly naive because I honestly did not have a clue that there could be people like this around. And then I feel even more stupid because I realise that you must have had your unfair share of hate as well, just for being gay. Now, it seems you’re worthy of hate simply because of your Y chromosome. When did all this hate become pc?

        Apologies. There is nothing you or anyone can do and I should get out from under my nice, safe middle class rock a bit more often. -hugs-

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      • I throw myself into the deep end (and have for a long while) precisely because I know that at the end of the day I get to close the laptop or drive home… and then life is great. Knowing some people can’t do that is constant motivation.

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  6. acflory
    March 9, 2016

    -grin- In that case I won’t worry about you. 🙂

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  7. StakedinTheHeart
    March 9, 2016

    It’s taken me a while to get up to speed on this. I’ve never heard of TERF before.

    The Story Ending Blogger has some bizarre ideas, ie, in her blog post about The First Female Tranny School Shooting she talks about how men are going to become worse rapists. I assume she means in America, as opposed to Iraq/Syria where currently the ISIS members literally rape women to death. She rants about violent men—is there any other kind?—putting on dresses and going into schools to shoot the girls because “girls are the natural enemy of the trans” (say, what??!)

    This is just bizarre. What post were you on where you had your big blow-out with her?

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  8. “If it’s disparaging to say a group excludes trans people, perhaps not excluding them might solve the problem.”
    Best line in the article. Better you than me Pinky, I applaud you for trying, on behalf of those of us who who won’t. They are creepy aren’t they? I mean just really creepy. They are like any other Hate Group if you ask me, and not only are they a Hate Group but they go after the tiniest minority of an already small minority group, the T in LGBT.

    They have all kinds of code words, look for Mens Rights Groups (and truthfully a lot of the men’s rights groups are simply misogynists) they seem to me to classify ALL men as men like who belong to those Men’s a Rights Groups. It’s actually reverse misogyny is the way I see it. “You are a misogynist, so I am going to be broad based anti ALL men” it’s crazy shit and I tend to agree with you it is rather cultish behavior. It’s creepy, just exactly the way men’s rights groups are creepy. It’s the same, Hate is Hate.

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  9. jerbearinsantafe
    March 10, 2016

    Thanks for your advocacy. I’m saddened and angry at the hate directed at trans women by these individuals. I’ve had friends that were hurt deeply by this hateful rhetoric. There is also another group out there that target people like me who are non binary gender identified. These individuals believe that you are only trans if you’ve been diagnosed with, and treated for, gender dysphoria requiring medical intervention. Here’s a description of this particular group:

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    • jerbearinsantafe
      March 10, 2016
      • Clare Flourish
        March 10, 2016

        Fortunately, not all of us who have, ahem, had the adjustment are truscum- it is a ridiculous idea that some of us are “real” transsexual and everyone else is a pervert, playing at it, and making life harder for the Real ones. People find their own way, but as I have been hated and mocked myself, I will not hate or mock others for who they are. Non-binary people are the vanguard, making everyone more free to express who they truly are, by doing it so fearlessly.

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      • jerbearinsantafe
        March 10, 2016

        Thanks so much! I have found only acceptance as an agender/non-binary person in my community here in Santa Fe and in our state-wide Trans advocacy group in New Mexico (USA). It is only the rare incident online that alerted me to the Transmedicalist viewpoint, (as well as TERF). I have always believed that, when struggling for rights and equality, we are stronger working together; trans inclusive feminism, non-binary inclusive trans advocacy, trans inclusive LGBTQIA+ movements, and LGBTQIA+ inclusive human rights movements, etc.

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  10. StakedinTheHeart
    March 10, 2016

    I’ve read several websites including Purple Sage, RoughSeas, and Story Ending (the one who felt ‘unsafe” with you in the discussion. Such a sensitive flower. *rolls eyes*.)

    Don’t be shocked—but I get their point, no not about men being rapists or that we’re living in a rape culture (here in the U.S. we aren’t). That’s crazy talk.

    For some reason, these ladies see men as rapist-oppressors. They have a deep distaste or hatred of men. So, when you have men who transition into women, these ladies views that as a rapist oppressor invading their sacred space. And they think how dare this (former) male consider himself a lesbian. Adding insult to injury he wants to be the head of a woman’s org. I see what their problem is with that.

    Where’s why I get them: Take Bruce Jenner as an example because I know about his life. (I don’t know about the life or journey or any other transgenders to make this same observation.)

    Bruce was born male and raised male—and he was a jock. I don’t know if you are aware of what that means, but in American society jocks are the kings. All schools care about is their sports programs and their athletes. While I was in the University cafeteria eating burritos, the football team was dining on steak. And when they go pro, it’s even worse, athletes are viewed as gods—and some have literally gotten away with murder because of their privileged MALE status (OJ Simpson, I’m looking at you.)

    The males in my family were jocks—and while their life experience was that of being treated like young princes—my experience as a female was that of being treated like a servant. While they were at some sports field tossing a ball while people eagerly watched and cheered, I was doing their laundry. (And no, even if girls get into soccer or whatever, it’s never is as popular or important as the male games like football.)

    Bruce’s life has been one of extreme MALE privilege. He has been fawned over and catered to as are all male jocks. No doors are ever closed to him. Add to that, he was the greatest male Olympian—and became a huge celeb. He didn’t get his money, fame and celebrity as a female. No, he got all that because he was male.

    So fast forward, and Bruce announces at age 65 he’s “always felt [he] was a woman”. Are you kidding me? What in his life experience as a MALE jock makes him believe that in any way he “felt” like a woman? I’m not talking about having a period or a baby. I’m talking about his having this dream life of extreme male privilege not afforded to ANY woman, especially back when in was in his 20s and women were bared from holding certain jobs, like being a cop. Bruce doesn’t have a clue what it is to be a woman, because all his experiences have been as a fawned over male.

    This is why some women take issue with male to female transgenders. I am curious to read your thoughts. Usually, you and I agree 100% about everything. This a first. LOL

    Just to be clear, I have no objection to anyone wanting to change their name, their gender, their body, whatever. It’s their business. I don’t care if Bruce wants to present as a woman, that’s his personal choice, BUT I do have a problem with him claiming he’s been a woman all along. It’s total B. fucking S.

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    • acflory
      March 10, 2016

      Here in Australia we have a relatively high profile trans woman who transitioned in her 50’s? Something like that. The point, however, is that she spent most of her life as a career soldier, and a good one. Again, not your typical female stereotype. Yet she is now very comfortable as a woman.

      I’m straight, female and probably quite conservative, but I can understand the mindset of a ‘jock’ feeling like a woman. Behaviour is learned so if your inner feelings are considered shameful by your ‘teachers’ you will over compensate by being even more of a ‘jock’ than most jocks. Another issue is image. Trans women feel like women, not female impersonators so behaving in a more visibly feminine way is not really an option, not until they can /become/ a woman properly.

      Finally, there is the issue of personality. You are who you are, and that does not always conform comfortably with a gender stereotype. If you have been a shy, retiring man all your life, you will be a shy, retiring woman after transition. Caitlyn Jenner was never shy and retiring so why would you expect her to become a different person just because she is a she rather than a he?

      As for trans women taking up roles that rightly belong to genetic women…that’s nonsense. I am a genetic woman but that does not mean I ‘deserve’ to lead an organisation of women. To be a leader of anything you have to be good at what you do and you have to want to do it. If a trans woman meets those criteria AND is elected to a position of leadership then how can anyone object?

      Victimhood does not confer any rights or privileges. It is a state of mind, and a terrible, destructive one at that. The TERFs are sad /people/ who need help. Validating their victimhood helps no one.

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      • StakedinTheHeart
        March 10, 2016

        You seem to be missing my point about Bruce. It doesn’t matter what he “felt” inside. The reality is, he wasn’t ostracized or marginalized. You have no knowledge he became “more of a jock” because he had “feminine feelings”.

        Bruce was lauded, catered to, never denied access to anything, swooned over. His experiences going through this world as a woman are 0.00. For him to now claim he’s “always been” a woman—after he has reaped the rewards as a male—is an insult.

        I don’t know which roles “rightly belong” to women. But I think a leadership role that deals with women’s issues, like say sexual harassment, would be a bad fit for someone who has lived their entire life as a male.

        I don’t think TERF are victims, but I can see their point in this case. Doesn’t mean I agree with them on everything.

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    • Clare Flourish
      March 10, 2016

      I have the experience that one tries to be more of a jock, to overcompensate. I joined the territorial army, trans women I have known took stereotypically manly professions. I was tense all the time. When I transitioned I could relax. People said I was acting when I was him, just me when I am her.

      Again in my experience, radical feminists don’t seem comfortable with stereotypical “feminine” behaviour. Some women are, and some women aren’t. I have great sympathy with those who aren’t, because I felt similar alienation from stereotypes.

      I also felt discomfort about my body. I have loved my body only since I have physically transitioned. I can’t explain any of these feelings, only feel them.

      It did not feel like male privilege for me. I had middle class privilege- I was expected to go to University, where half my year were female- but I felt inadequate as a man, always judged and found wanting.

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      • StakedinTheHeart
        March 11, 2016

        That’s awful you were made to feel judged and lacking as a man. I’ve always thought we are too hard on men in society. Men are always expected to be responsible for everything, never show emotion, have all the answers, and on top of that, they are now all accused of being rapists. I would think it would be extremely difficult to be a man in western society.

        I’m glad for you that you feel comfortable now. I totally support you doing whatever you need to in order to feel comfortable in your own skin.

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    • I don’t disagree that Jenner was and still is privileged. I just don’t think that’s a representative sample.
      An everyday trans person, without all the money and clothes and makeup artists and good lighting- probably has a very different experience.
      For example, I really make a conscious effort to be socially aware- and yet I know that if I had been Anna Lee’s classmate, I would (at that young age) probably have made fun of her.
      Can you imagine something more tough than waking up every day and feeling your body is “wrong”?

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      • StakedinTheHeart
        March 11, 2016

        I agree Jenner is not representative of all trans individuals, but I used him as an example of how someone like Purple Sage could be angered by someone like him claiming to be a woman and add to that, a lesbian. (He dates women.) You have to admit that’s a bit of a stretch. Jenner has even pissed me off.

        I think it would be terrible to believe you’re in the wrong body. That’s why I support people who want to change everything including their gender. If it makes them feel better about themselves, I’m all for it. However, other people may object to that, and I can see their point as well.

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  11. I think it would be terrible to believe you’re in the wrong body. That’s why I support people who want to change everything including their gender. If it makes them feel better about themselves, I’m all for it. However, other people may object to that, and I can see their point as well.

    You can? You can see the point of people who think they have a voice in the private personal decidions of other people? Boy I sure can’t, can’t see their POV at all, I think they should all sit down, shut up and mind their own business.

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    • That’s what Tildeb and I were on about when we were talking about the enlightenment and individual liberties vs. collective rights 🙂

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    • StakedinTheHeart
      March 12, 2016

      I can see their point because when it comes to the issue of transgenders, it’s not just a private thing. Transgender women want to go into female dressing rooms and bathrooms. Some women don’t feel comfortable with that. And that’s okay. It’s their right to not have someone they view as male enter their private area. Even I would have a problem with entering a female dressing room and seeing a dick and balls swinging around. That would make me uncomfortable. I wouldn’t know automatically that person is trans. I would think he was a perv. God forbid my young daughter would see him naked. I would go freakin’ ballistic.

      Some transgender women want to participate in sports events as a woman when their body has had the advantage of testosterone their entire lives. This is hardly “fair”. Transgenderism isn’t just a private issue that stays at one’s home.

      Look, you have to consider EVERYONE’S feelings, not just one small group. Transgenders have the right to be treated decently, to not be discriminated against, to not be attacked, to be able to live in peace. However, the rest of us have the right to whatever feelings we have in regards to them.

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      • Clare Flourish
        March 12, 2016

        I could not reply in a comment, I needed a post. I have been back to it several times since yesterday, thinking it through. Please take that as a compliment. To publish at midnight GMT.

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      • What I’ve always liked about you is you cut through the BS- so let me put this in Carolina Courtland terms:
        Transgender people have a huge problem with their birth gender. Some bind their breasts. Some tuck their genitals. All of it is painful. The last thing in the world they want to do is to make a public display of themselves.
        In the end this is like the debate about gay men in the military. Bathrooms would be unsafe for straight men because of the gays? Unlikely. We’re people, not Tetris. It’s not like someone bends over and BAM… We’ve taken advantage of them.

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      • StakedinTheHeart
        March 14, 2016

        I responded to the Violetwisp. This was a real life story about what happened to a woman at a Planet Fitness dressing room. I’m sure you could google it if you wanted to read about it.

        This isn’t like a debate about gay men in the military because gay men are still MEN. They aren’t men who think they are women invading women’s formerly “women’s only” spaces. I would not be happy seeing an intact male naked in a female dressing room, and that doesn’t make me an asshole. And how do we know he’s a trans and not just some pervert? Seriously.

        I’m more liberal than a lot of people are about this issue. I support individuals who want to change their gender, their name, and dress accordingly. I don’t have a problem with that. My problem is that there also needs to be some consideration for other’s feelings.

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      • Now you see, the problem is that there was no penis-swinging anywhere. A transgender woman walked into the dressing room to hang her coat and purse: http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2015/03/25/michigan-woman-sues-planet-fitness-over-trans-inclusive-locker-room

        And all the other similar stories are along the same lines. An Evangelical group called Alliance Defending Freedom swoops in with their lawyers and cameras every time they think they can fabricate a story like this- except non of them have turned out to be true.
        As for it being different from gay men in the army, I disagree. The objection was on sexual grounds. Straight men didn’t want to be *targeted* by gay men….

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      • violetwisp
        March 13, 2016

        “It’s their right to not have someone they view as male enter their private area.”
        Changing rooms, like public toilets, are public areas, not private areas. Your home is your private area. Changing rooms, like toilets, are loosely segregated to conform to largely outdated notions towards women and men as separate species – Victorian decency and the like. And I say ‘loosely’ because no-one bats an eyelid if a male attendant or male carer with female child enters. If a lesbian was swinging her tits round a changing room I’d be the first to petition to ban them all from my private areas. Which wouldn’t include public toilets and changing rooms.

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      • Well now here you are just making shit up,

        Even I would have a problem with entering a female dressing room and seeing a dick and balls swinging around. That would make me uncomfortable.

        Oh so you think a woman (trans) is going to do that do you? That they are going to go though He’ll and high water, to get to the point in their lives that they have confidence to go into a female changing area and that they are going to swing their dick around and more specifically flash your children with their dick? You don’t think people who have gone through more than I ever could, you don’t think that they are going to be discrete? I do, I think they are going to be VERY discrete seeing as how they present as a woman do you really think that they are going to flash around their male genitalia? You are simply fear mo gearing, or as my grandma used to say, “Don’t borrow trouble.” If this was a problem don’t you think we would have heard about it by now? Because there is no trouble and I assure youn trans women are already, “in your midsts,” and there is no trouble, so what you are doing is what my grandma always cautioned me against, borrowing trouble when there is none.

        Your precious darlings will sooner see dick from the boy next door before they will see one from a transwoman in a public bathroom, changing room, or what have you. Don’t borrow trouble. We can all share our public spaces civilly. Besides if you are really concerned you can have Suzie put on her swimsuit at home and wear her shorts and T-shirt on top, I did that many many times when I was a kid because when I got to the pool I wanted to hop right in. If you have some irrational fear there are ways for you to mitigate that yourself. What does a little kindness and understanding towards others hurt? (Typically I don’t curse on the internet but since you used the dick word I did to so you can read it back and see how irrational you are)

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      • StakedinTheHeart
        March 14, 2016

        I got this from when it happened to a woman at a Planet Fitness in America. She walked in and saw a naked man, freaked out and ran to the desk to complain. She was told he identified himself as a trangender woman and was allowed to be in the female dressing room. I don’t have any “irrational fear” of trans people. I’m just pointing out that there’s another side to this issue, and that is OTHER PEOPLE’S FEELINGS.

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      • Clare Flourish
        March 15, 2016

        The claim against Planet Fitness was dismissed on 11 January. The court found their policy does not “create a hostile environment” for cis women in the changing room. Nor does hanging up a coat.

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  13. David J
    March 14, 2016

    Of course other people have feelings, and generally one would hope that we all try to respect them and not cause upset to other people for no good reason.

    But other people’s feelings cannot always be the determinant of what is, and is not, acceptable.

    As a gay man, I am sure that there are straight guys who might ‘feel’ uncomfortable in the changing room with me. But being sensitive to such feelings does not mean they should be entitled to complain about my presence, or have me removed from the changing room, or be granted any other action that would impact negatively towards me, just because I am gay and they feel uncomfortable.

    The answer is education, understanding and, where necessary, laws and policies that ensure that one person’s feelings is not another person’s discrimination.

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    • @David J you covered OTHER PEOPLE’S FEELINGS much more diplomatically than I would have so I’ll just leave a thumbs up to your comment.

      I can’t tell you how many times I held up a beach towel so my children could change out of their swimming suit in privacy, we’ve all done it, on the beach we learn how to make a little circlular wall with the towel with child inside changing. If people are unnecessarily “worried” there are a lot of things moms and dads can do themselves to mitigate the fear of their children seeing the extremely remote possibility of random swinging dicks. Wall-child-parent, you put your body between your child and the center of the room, blocking your child from looking into the room, or anyone in the room from seeing your child. This is basic parenting 101, c’mon we have all done this, this is not rocket science.

      I better quit or I will be banned from this blog, it just gets my dandur up, I’ll wind this down now. Props on your comment @David J it was a good one, better than mine.

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      • David J
        March 15, 2016

        Thank you – and also for a laugh out loud moment.

        As a Brit, I am a master of the art, when on a beach, of wrapping myself in a towel (like a skirt, oddly, but let’s not go there) and changing completely underneath it Superman-style from outdoor clothes to swimming costume in under a minute, to ensure nobody has any possible chance of seeing my manhood.

        It’s quite a performance art, though a dying one sadly. It always provided much entertainment when we were children to see these adults contorting themselves, and waiting for someone’s towel to fall off. All faintly absurd, but terribly bashful and sensitive…

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      • David J
        April 5, 2016

        Well, PayPal just went up in my opinion, if this reporting is correct:

        http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/paypal-expansion-north-carolina-1.3521378

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      • Excellent!

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      • David J
        April 6, 2016

        Well, it shows how insidious this stuff can get:

        “The legislation marked the first state law in the nation limiting the bathroom options for transgender people, requiring them to use those conforming to the sex on their birth certificates.”

        Whatever one’s viewpoint, the idea that a legislature enshrines in law who can use lavatories (most of which will be on private premises) is quite incredible. I suspect the measure’s supporters would be the first to complain about ‘big government’ interefering in other spheres of life.

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  14. Sirius Bizinus
    March 15, 2016

    I’ve been lurking here for a while, mostly because gender and trans issues are still topics of conversation that make me instinctively keep my mouth shut. I saw the exchange over on RS’s post, and it was very unfortunate (putting it mildly) about the response you got. It was pretty clear your position rested on actual equal treatment.

    As far as storyending goes, I really think her comment was more directed at RS to pressure her into silencing you more than anything else. I’m not saying it’s any less vile; her behavior strikes me because I live with two women who habitually use other people to engage in confrontation like that. Her use of “safe space” was in all actuality an attempt to create a hostile space. It’s not supposed to be like that, but people like her are why others can’t have nice things I guess.

    Ultimately, your post here and the other about the TERFs highlighted some really awful abuse levied at you and at trans people in general. It’s just really terrible the kind of stuff being used to silence people who are only demanding fairness.

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